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Lawyerlisa's avatar

Did you see the research about the death of good microbes in the gut after the vax. So microbes do also provide a first line of defense.

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Benjamin Chayes's avatar

Gut and skin issues, which often reflect the same problems.

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Bob L's avatar

It was nice to hear Dr. McMillan speak against ridiculing vaccinated people.

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Dr Philip McMillan's avatar

Thank you.

Not in anyone's interest.

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krishna e bera's avatar

But we can ridicule the likes of Fauci and Walensky for their flipflops and misinformation.

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krishna e bera's avatar

It may be time to revisit Geert Vanden Bossche once some bird flu statistics come out. He predicted the injections would lead to an increase in infection and transmissibility (and hence mutation) of all viruses that use similar glycosylated structures.

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Jade Dixon's avatar

Another concern for the unvaccinated crowd: shedding. For a long time I didn't think I needed to be concerned if those around me were vaccinated or not. I track my menstural cycles and I'm fortunate to have them be pretty regular, no more than a day or 2 of variability in length and the flow volume is consistent. Even when I had covid in January 2022 my cycle stayed regular.

But November of 2022 I had lunch with some relatives and later that evening I started a light cycle, 9 days early. The next cycle also started 8 days early and had a greater flow volume. It was almost like something induced my cycle to start earlier and there wasn't enough uterine lining to shed yet, and the following cycle was cleaning up what the previous cycle left behind. Not the best way to describe it I know. But my life has been even more stressful in 2023 and my cycles have been normal so far this year, you would think it would have gone irregular again in February 2023 with a death in the family but it has stayed regular. I later found out that the relatives I had lunch with back in November 2022 had recently gotten bivalent boosters. I didn't even think of asking since I had been around so many other vaccinated people with no issues, maybe it was the length of time we were in close contact or how recent their shots were, I don't know. But I am thinking twice now about close contact with those recently jabbed...

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Dr Philip McMillan's avatar

Interesting observation.

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Moro Balakrishnan's avatar

My reference to hybrid immunity being a hollow concept is in the context of the covid virus, omicron now. It could be a valid phenomenon with pathogens that have long stabilised. The term hybrid immunity itself sounds specious. It sounds like a new stand alone immunity, while what is assumed is the presence of two types of immunity working hand in hand. In the present context, no one has considered and examined independently if the two immunities work at cross purposes. They have, as this presentation attempts to explain.

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Andy Bunting's avatar

Thanks Dr. McM. Great post Sir.

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L.P.'s avatar

Are people still testing? In DK we don't talk about it anymore even

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Benjamin Chayes's avatar

I am having trouble integrating the distinction between mucosal and seral immunity in the idea that the vaccines are also inducing mutants escapees. Could you clarify this aspect?

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Moro Balakrishnan's avatar

We can agree with Dr Knapp that the virus was in circulation in 2019 itself in China, in Europe, USA, even Iran, countries with large travel contacts with China. Perhaps it wasn’t virulent, but we will not know its structure and properties, unless someone studied it in the West. It then turned virulent from late 2019/ early 2020, in the same quick geographical order. But the pandemic certainly has a non vaccine phase (2020) and more devastating phase (2021 & 2022), running concurrent with non stop vaccinations. As the clinical experience of many countries in later 2021 and 2022 shows, early, familiar treatments would have ended the pandemic by end 2020 itself, not only treating the sick successfully, but also stopping the spread in the process. This will remain the single most serious lapse on the part of everyone. As WHO took early lead in the pandemic communications and consultations, it owes an explanation why this obvious priority was ignored.

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James Hunt's avatar

I don't agree. Before one can say any novel pathogen was circulation we have to square the circle as to the where influenza disappeared to. We know from this study, https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0300891620974755 that the alleged pathogen was in circulation in all regions of Italy by September 2019. Thus the PCR test is either a fraud or asymptomatic spread being a driver of an alleged epidemic is a lie. It also puts to bed the con of patient 1 in Wuhan. Fast forward to today, all I see in my area of practice is a significant number of people multi injected and having tested positive multiple times. These slow burn kill shots are the pandemic, this is obvious. As for the ridicule of the vaccinated, I don't criticise it or condone it, but people need to develop some political acumen and fast, before another con is foisted upon us.

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Moro Balakrishnan's avatar

In her column in The Atlantic dated 26th May, the staff writer Katherine Wu makes a case for a mono valent vaccine for variant XBB.1 for this fall, rather than the depleted performance of the bivalent type, where the older variant remains an unnecessary dummy. The media in the USA continues to be obsessed with mass vaccines for this fall/winter also, while much of the rest of world is not interested in any more vaccine talk. Rightly so, as we understand from the discussions and comments here. Interestingly, she alludes to an experiment “ where researchers added omicron to their vaccine recipes, the spike content did not double up, but it subbed out half of what was there before”. It is clear from this observation that omicron and the already present antigens ( from earlier vaccinations ? ) neutralise each other. These antigens are thus a nuisance, preventing the easy, hassle-free, effective, omicron based immunity from taking hold in the community. Even in the USA, in 2022, overall fresh vaccinations (3, 4 or 5 ) will be much more than fresh omicron cases, clearly telling us where the resident antigens are from.

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Moro Balakrishnan's avatar

All these questions on vaccine versus omicron can be set aside if we consider it as new virus from the family and its disease a new one technically. The vaccine misfit and absence of performance against omicron will become apparent immediately. Even Omicron’s near total endemicity in many countries that had low levels of fresh vaccinations in 2022, can be explained on the basis of its rapid herd immunity coverage resulting from its rapid spread without any impediment, like a fresh somewhat unrelated vaccine. Why fresh vaccinations are an impediment only in highly vaccinated western countries needs to be explained, as their tussle with circulating presence of omicron continues. Every other situation, clinical or epidemiological, falls in place with this premise of a new virus. An equally convincing view came up in early 2022 that Omicron is nature’s vaccine - rapid coverage, mild illness etc - if one is dogmatic that Omicron is continuing covid-19. Omicron cannot be business as usual for this virus like the several past variants.

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Moro Balakrishnan's avatar

The title question can be reframed - “ why are the highly vaccinated countries not witnessing deep drawn omicron endemicity ? “ something that has occurred through 2022 in many countries, like India. The reason is simple - extent of repeat vaccinations in 2022. You must also consider the view that took hold when Omicron appeared - that it is nature’s vaccine. Omicron exposure everywhere was quick and high in early 2022. It was the equivalent of high herd immunity, which stood preserved in countries with low fresh round of vaccinations in 2022, India a typical example. It was true of China also, when Onicron exploded a few months ago, the population did not have any carry forward protection of any kind. Herd immunity enveloped quickly. Only the west went on with repeat vaccinations, even No 4 or No 5, even if the extent was not as high as No 2 or No 3, with people themselves seeing the futility in the exercise. This clearly prevented herd immunity from taking hold. There was no study done how each additional vaccination was changing the resident antibody profile. I had written letters to NYT, Atlantic and to a couple of national newspapers in India that the concept of hybrid immunity was hollow. It was not rocket science to infer that in the West that there was live mutual cancellation of the two immunities all the time. There was no compulsion for Omicron to go into deep slumber, with the entire population remaining susceptible all the time. Directly, the biological process behind this can be the impaired mucosal immunity proposed by Dr. McMillan. On other points, it is difficult to conclude on the basis of world numbers in these three years in the context of the various geographies that vaccines prevented serious illness. The effect, if at all, could be marginal. Also, if not undertaken by any large national science already, it is necessary to follow new Omicron exposures as two separate cohorts - vaccinated and unvaccinated. Omicron, just by itself, is unlikely to cause any damage in the long run. In fact, the answer is clear even now - just compare Africa with N.America & Europe. The former has simply shrugged off Omicron, while the latter is locked in an unending tussle.

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Wendy Leonard's avatar

Again the jab was NOT designed to reduce symptoms, you still believe this after all your research, unsubbed , because you are talking rubbish

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Dr. Hubris's avatar

"The vaccination was not designed to prevent transmission but to reduce severe disease... which it does".

Hogwash! I unsubscibed!

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krishna e bera's avatar

The studies i saw did confirm that severe *Covid* disease was reduced by injections. However, those studies did not look at disease *caused by the injections* themselves. To get the net result, you have to look at all cause mortality among the injected and uninjected and also track who got infected.

I would say overall the injections were a net harm. Even in the over 70 group, some more recent studies are showing harms over a longer period after injection. Plus of course those who get infected more often will also die more often if they are weakened.

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this little authoritarian's avatar

The issue is further confounded by who was listed as having a covid case. That could only happen if you tested in the first place. Plus the vaccine wrongly gets credit for preventing/minimizing systemic viremia with antibodies when in all likelihood the mucosa in most people deals with infection without any need from humoral antibodies.

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Bob L's avatar

According to what I have watched and read, all injected respiratory virus vaccines are only able to reduce symptoms. All the people designing the COVID vaccines would have known this.

The problem is that public health officials lied in their efforts to get everybody vaccinated.

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Jade Dixon's avatar

Yeah, that's what blows me away. When I was a kid my entire household got the flu one December. It ruined Christmas and turned into pneumonia for the eldest. The next year all of the adults in my household got flu shots but I did not. I was 12 and figured that I'd rather have the flu than get a shot. Next flu season I got the flu but I did not infect anyone in my household, despite sharing a bedroom with one of them. That was proof for me that flu shots stopped infection and I got one every year for the next 24 years and never got the flu. So for a long time I never questioned the effectiveness of flu shots. Then covid shots came along and now I question everything.

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Lizzy's avatar

Jade my mother had Asian flu when she was about 14-15, she said she’s never been as ill in her life.

She’s been laid up ill with flu 3 times since, never like she was with Asian flu though.

My mother has never taken a single flu shot and is nearly 82. Her immune imprinting memory has served her well protecting her well from severe illness.

My mother did catch covid in January of 2020, had no idea at the time and was perfectly fine.

Also after two weeks after lockdown started she was fed up and back out and about shopping and mixing, she never caught a single thing, until her third dart which I explained she didn’t need and she caught the coof again.

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sulegulmen's avatar

they forced for nothing.

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