Thank you, Dr. McMillan, for this helpful interview - I thought Dr. Rennebohm was very clear in his explanations - and your continuing to report on Dr. Vanden Bossche's very credible-sounding predictions. Considering how dire those predictions are, I hope you will reach out to other scientists and vaccinologists, especially - i.e. Drs. Malone and Bridle - to get their opinions on what Dr. Vanden Bossche is saying.
Great discussion! Only a brief mention of NK cells here, and not sure how these fit in between the PNNABs and the CTLs? But a good overall discussion of the (4) stages and where the immune systems of the highly vaccinated stand at this point in the pandemic. Would appreciate allowing the guest a bit more rein in his explanations, he was doing a good job, and focusing your (host) attention more deeply on the conversation and not on the drawings (have these ready ahead if you want to use them) and army analogies. These diverted my mind's understanding of what was taking place per Dr. Rennebohm's verbal explanations and I had to back track to get to my prior place of understanding. (Too many horses midstream, as it were.) Overall, great presentation and I look forward to more discussions in the future. Kudos, gentlemen.
If there is questions you would like to ask an immunologist write it down and give it to me I will pass it on and see if they want to reply, brilliant person.
I felt excactly the same concerning the concentration or lack of it, very distrackting. In such moments it would help a lot if the camera would only show the guest so Dr. McMillan could do what ever he thinks necessary without takeing the attention of the viewers. Thank you for your understanding, Dr. Mc Millan, so great to have you!
Thank you, Philip! And please do have an additional meeting between yourself, Geert & Rob. These are are hard concepts. The more discussion & clarification the better. Thanks for giving Geert a platform to present his findings.
The body is vastly complex to the point that even now we don't fully understand how all the processes inter play. We know for sure the body is the best pharmacist on the planet, it can make all it requires as long as it has all the raw materials. Persistently bombarding it with toxins like the spike protein is damaging its defences, what are the best materials we can give it to help in this fight?
I am not a doctor so DYOR but I take Vits C and D3, Zinc, Magnesium Citrate, Selenium and Potassium either via supplement or diet. My horse has a tube of ivermectin.
A very loving and selfless horse, I've heard. My horse is the same, except he relishes a side dish of 5-HTP, augmented nac and nattokinese. All the best, stay safe and effective.
LOL. Yes, my horse likes Nattokinase occasionally but the soy gives him a face rash and plays havoc with his prostate, so much so that he has to eat the natto only occasionally and try to compensate with eating pumpkin seeds.
Thanks Philip. Excellent "work session" . Dr. Rennebohm never realy joined you on your Hypothesis that the only WEAPON left now are NK Cells resp. the innate immune system . . . . .as it was also before the Wuhan CoV2 was released from Wuhan labs . . . .So basically we are back to square one i.e. relying on classic medicine protocols as the one of Dr. CHETTY et.al. and hopefully IVM, HCQ still work on the GN.1 and successors because the Virus changed its structure fundamentally i.e. it may fibmnd another way into cells too, not neccessarily using ACE2. . . . . . Please try to find out in due course of GN.1 and successors if IVM still works as with the old variants. This was an excellent workshop, even for medical laymen as myself to translate Geerts complexity into some clear viral ans body-engineering. Have a good 4th advent and a merry X-Mas. Klaus from Serbia
Please add montelukast, azithromycin, levocetrizine and a few others to your list. It does not matter what mutation the virus has taken. As long as it has to work by lodging itself on the surface of receptor cells, these molecules are upto the game. If my premise of the chemistry of attraction between the drug molecules and the binding segments of the virus spikes are correct, these drugs will defang the virus outside the cell itself and not give it an opportunity to enter inside the cells in a big way. This mechanism is outside the purview of the immune system so elaborately discussed by the experts here. The only immune job here could be that when the virus is staying outside the cell confronting the drug molecule, it can elicit body’s standard allergy response - the typical symptoms of cold etc. It can remain asymptomatic also, if the virus load then is not high. This virus is best neutralised by stand alone drug molecules, not via body’s immune components, with or without vaccine. This picture will not change for JN1.
Which stand alone drug moöecules ? IVM, HCQ, Fluoxetine (in vitro study of Prof. Bodem University Würzburg, Germany June 2020 !! - it inhikited replication in vitro to almost 100% in therapeutic quantities.
Said this in many places before…..what doctors in India used for delta and omicron and ever since. Yes IVM, HCQ, but more prominently Montelukast, Levocetrizine, Azithromycin, Formoterol, Desloratidine, Dextromethorphan, Oxymetazoline (nasal drops) Doxycycline, Cetrizine…..always combinations of 3-4 of them. This is from a compilation of prescriptions I had collected in 2021-22. And the, vit C, Zinc etc. Dr. Shankara Chetty too uses many of these and sometimes Azathioprine or Methyl Prednisone. The choice would be your doctor’s, but any combination, taken early would work the same - prevent viral load build up in the first few days.
The virus itself still has to enter the body via the normal routes, ie the mucosa. What about supplementing/strengthening (or even reactivating) the innate immune system? What about optimizing conditions such heat and humidity and nutrition? This is so complex...
Mucosa is the first gate. It must have the best guard. I would consider oxymetazoline nasal drops as my choice. For about a week, if you feel catching any respiratory symptoms, not necessarily a running cold. According to me, it is both anti viral and anti histamine - two functions best suited for the situation.
This was incredibly helpful, thank you so much Dr McMillan and Dr Rennebohm. I read GVB's book and watched his interviews but still had holes in my knowledge but this video really helped me grasp the concepts at a deeper level.
Question: Why do GVB and Rob both mention that the highly vaccinated people "in highly vaccinated countries and regions" are at particular risk? What is it about residing in a highly vaccinated region that increases the severity? Is it just because achieving herd immunity is further out of reach? Or is it a time thing in that a virulent strain would rapidly spread through those regions? Or something else?
Their immunity profile has become weak, complex and highly compromised. They are susceptible to reinfections and even serious progression. The fact that the vaccine spike remnants can also get transmitted like a virus particle makes even the unvaccinated susceptible in those societies.
Dec 24, 2023·edited Dec 24, 2023Liked by Dr Philip McMillan
Reactivated latent viruses, we are full of viruses bacteria fungus etc all part of our natural human virome..
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“breakdown of immunological defenses against infectious agents that lie dormant (“sleeping”) in our bodies. These include many viruses such as Herpes zoster (shingles), Epstein-Barr-Virus (infectious mononucleosis), Cytomegaloviruses, bacteria – particularly tuberculosis – and parasites.”
Professor Sucharit Bhakdi
He also warned about TB years ago.
Why not do a video with him.. And anyone with concern of their immune system get a blood test done.
What part doing a video with him? He is ACE, a heart of Gold, he knows Immunology very well also. Doctors For COVID Ethics. Thank you Dr Philip Mc Millan you are a star shining bright 🌟
Thank You for this follow up in help explaining a little more with Dr. Rennebohm . Your graphs, Dr. McMillian for my right brain thinking helps in my understanding . And Dr. Vanden Bosschee volcano eruptions with cracks, fissures,signs to a volcanologist was understandable as well. I would like to see another one of your creative graphs in action of what happens inside the body, when the ivermectin is taken. Happy Holidays and believe in what it's meant to be. Power of being.
This video was very useful. Thank you so much. The virus keeps changing. But the immune system keeps changing too. Why would the virus win? It's a 50-50 chance. We should never have come to this position, let that be clear. overconfidence has brought us here. But we still have a 50% chance that the immune system finds a solution.
Yes. It can still repair itself on its own, but it is a long haul. For the present, you need stand alone drug molecules to subdue this virus ( fresh infections). Early treatments. See other posts here for a clear picture.
Watched the show yesterday and did find Dr. Rob's input today very helpful.
Thanks
Appreciated.
Thank you, Dr. McMillan, for this helpful interview - I thought Dr. Rennebohm was very clear in his explanations - and your continuing to report on Dr. Vanden Bossche's very credible-sounding predictions. Considering how dire those predictions are, I hope you will reach out to other scientists and vaccinologists, especially - i.e. Drs. Malone and Bridle - to get their opinions on what Dr. Vanden Bossche is saying.
Thank you.
Great discussion! Only a brief mention of NK cells here, and not sure how these fit in between the PNNABs and the CTLs? But a good overall discussion of the (4) stages and where the immune systems of the highly vaccinated stand at this point in the pandemic. Would appreciate allowing the guest a bit more rein in his explanations, he was doing a good job, and focusing your (host) attention more deeply on the conversation and not on the drawings (have these ready ahead if you want to use them) and army analogies. These diverted my mind's understanding of what was taking place per Dr. Rennebohm's verbal explanations and I had to back track to get to my prior place of understanding. (Too many horses midstream, as it were.) Overall, great presentation and I look forward to more discussions in the future. Kudos, gentlemen.
Yes, the issue of NK cells is unclear. Suspect the specific CTL's are Mucosal associated Invariant T cells. Very versatile cells.
If there is questions you would like to ask an immunologist write it down and give it to me I will pass it on and see if they want to reply, brilliant person.
I felt excactly the same concerning the concentration or lack of it, very distrackting. In such moments it would help a lot if the camera would only show the guest so Dr. McMillan could do what ever he thinks necessary without takeing the attention of the viewers. Thank you for your understanding, Dr. Mc Millan, so great to have you!
Thank you, Philip! And please do have an additional meeting between yourself, Geert & Rob. These are are hard concepts. The more discussion & clarification the better. Thanks for giving Geert a platform to present his findings.
Yes, I think that would be very helpful.
The body is vastly complex to the point that even now we don't fully understand how all the processes inter play. We know for sure the body is the best pharmacist on the planet, it can make all it requires as long as it has all the raw materials. Persistently bombarding it with toxins like the spike protein is damaging its defences, what are the best materials we can give it to help in this fight?
I am not a doctor so DYOR but I take Vits C and D3, Zinc, Magnesium Citrate, Selenium and Potassium either via supplement or diet. My horse has a tube of ivermectin.
A very loving and selfless horse, I've heard. My horse is the same, except he relishes a side dish of 5-HTP, augmented nac and nattokinese. All the best, stay safe and effective.
LOL. Yes, my horse likes Nattokinase occasionally but the soy gives him a face rash and plays havoc with his prostate, so much so that he has to eat the natto only occasionally and try to compensate with eating pumpkin seeds.
A Computational Study of Ivermectin and Doxycycline Combination Drug Against SARS-CoV-2 Infection - Abstract - Europe PMC
https://europepmc.org/article/ppr/ppr379195
Interesting.
Thanks Philip. Excellent "work session" . Dr. Rennebohm never realy joined you on your Hypothesis that the only WEAPON left now are NK Cells resp. the innate immune system . . . . .as it was also before the Wuhan CoV2 was released from Wuhan labs . . . .So basically we are back to square one i.e. relying on classic medicine protocols as the one of Dr. CHETTY et.al. and hopefully IVM, HCQ still work on the GN.1 and successors because the Virus changed its structure fundamentally i.e. it may fibmnd another way into cells too, not neccessarily using ACE2. . . . . . Please try to find out in due course of GN.1 and successors if IVM still works as with the old variants. This was an excellent workshop, even for medical laymen as myself to translate Geerts complexity into some clear viral ans body-engineering. Have a good 4th advent and a merry X-Mas. Klaus from Serbia
Thank you.
Please add montelukast, azithromycin, levocetrizine and a few others to your list. It does not matter what mutation the virus has taken. As long as it has to work by lodging itself on the surface of receptor cells, these molecules are upto the game. If my premise of the chemistry of attraction between the drug molecules and the binding segments of the virus spikes are correct, these drugs will defang the virus outside the cell itself and not give it an opportunity to enter inside the cells in a big way. This mechanism is outside the purview of the immune system so elaborately discussed by the experts here. The only immune job here could be that when the virus is staying outside the cell confronting the drug molecule, it can elicit body’s standard allergy response - the typical symptoms of cold etc. It can remain asymptomatic also, if the virus load then is not high. This virus is best neutralised by stand alone drug molecules, not via body’s immune components, with or without vaccine. This picture will not change for JN1.
Which stand alone drug moöecules ? IVM, HCQ, Fluoxetine (in vitro study of Prof. Bodem University Würzburg, Germany June 2020 !! - it inhikited replication in vitro to almost 100% in therapeutic quantities.
Said this in many places before…..what doctors in India used for delta and omicron and ever since. Yes IVM, HCQ, but more prominently Montelukast, Levocetrizine, Azithromycin, Formoterol, Desloratidine, Dextromethorphan, Oxymetazoline (nasal drops) Doxycycline, Cetrizine…..always combinations of 3-4 of them. This is from a compilation of prescriptions I had collected in 2021-22. And the, vit C, Zinc etc. Dr. Shankara Chetty too uses many of these and sometimes Azathioprine or Methyl Prednisone. The choice would be your doctor’s, but any combination, taken early would work the same - prevent viral load build up in the first few days.
The virus itself still has to enter the body via the normal routes, ie the mucosa. What about supplementing/strengthening (or even reactivating) the innate immune system? What about optimizing conditions such heat and humidity and nutrition? This is so complex...
Mucosa is the first gate. It must have the best guard. I would consider oxymetazoline nasal drops as my choice. For about a week, if you feel catching any respiratory symptoms, not necessarily a running cold. According to me, it is both anti viral and anti histamine - two functions best suited for the situation.
for sharing Dr McMillan much appreciated 🙏
This was incredibly helpful, thank you so much Dr McMillan and Dr Rennebohm. I read GVB's book and watched his interviews but still had holes in my knowledge but this video really helped me grasp the concepts at a deeper level.
Question: Why do GVB and Rob both mention that the highly vaccinated people "in highly vaccinated countries and regions" are at particular risk? What is it about residing in a highly vaccinated region that increases the severity? Is it just because achieving herd immunity is further out of reach? Or is it a time thing in that a virulent strain would rapidly spread through those regions? Or something else?
High circulation of virus in these regions.
Their immunity profile has become weak, complex and highly compromised. They are susceptible to reinfections and even serious progression. The fact that the vaccine spike remnants can also get transmitted like a virus particle makes even the unvaccinated susceptible in those societies.
Thanks for taking the time to go through all this very helpful.
Welcome.
Fungal infections etc. VAIDS - Vaccine acquired immune deficiency?
Dr Syed Haider has a blood test for that he has a substack, and many other tests, very interesting, take a look, he is a Long Covid Doctor.
VAIDS - a more precise description. Must be accepted by the medicinal fraternity.
Sooty Proton ~ Here's the data I've gathered on VAIDS so far:
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/2f930f8e788f
ADE: Antibody Dependent Enhancement is related:
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/2e7af31cffb2
Reactivated latent viruses, we are full of viruses bacteria fungus etc all part of our natural human virome..
.
“breakdown of immunological defenses against infectious agents that lie dormant (“sleeping”) in our bodies. These include many viruses such as Herpes zoster (shingles), Epstein-Barr-Virus (infectious mononucleosis), Cytomegaloviruses, bacteria – particularly tuberculosis – and parasites.”
Professor Sucharit Bhakdi
He also warned about TB years ago.
Why not do a video with him.. And anyone with concern of their immune system get a blood test done.
Good idea.
What part doing a video with him? He is ACE, a heart of Gold, he knows Immunology very well also. Doctors For COVID Ethics. Thank you Dr Philip Mc Millan you are a star shining bright 🌟
Thank You for this follow up in help explaining a little more with Dr. Rennebohm . Your graphs, Dr. McMillian for my right brain thinking helps in my understanding . And Dr. Vanden Bosschee volcano eruptions with cracks, fissures,signs to a volcanologist was understandable as well. I would like to see another one of your creative graphs in action of what happens inside the body, when the ivermectin is taken. Happy Holidays and believe in what it's meant to be. Power of being.
This video was very useful. Thank you so much. The virus keeps changing. But the immune system keeps changing too. Why would the virus win? It's a 50-50 chance. We should never have come to this position, let that be clear. overconfidence has brought us here. But we still have a 50% chance that the immune system finds a solution.
The immune system will need some help and it is not more vaccines.
This can be done with all available options on the table.
Yes. It can still repair itself on its own, but it is a long haul. For the present, you need stand alone drug molecules to subdue this virus ( fresh infections). Early treatments. See other posts here for a clear picture.
We all have taken 0 covid vaccinations 🙏
A simple question Dr. McMillan, will Ivermectin still help to avoid cell invasion ? Thanks, Chris.
Slows the viral transmission, allowing the immune system to counteract. HCQ impacts on cellular entry.
As I posted ahead here, please consider a few other common molecules also, normally used in respiratory infections.