Perhaps one of *the* best interviews ever, thank you Dr. McMillan! Dr. Malone says a few things I take some issue with, but I think he is absolutely one of the most important people in the world now and will go down in history as a great man.
P.S. I think you are pretty great, too, being one of the most reasonable-sounding people commenting on the pandemic-response issue and interviewing people like Dr. Vanden Bossche and Dr. Malone. I only hope you are wrong about the tsunami of auto-immune disease you believe is coming, if I understand you correctly.
Oct 7, 2023·edited Oct 7, 2023Liked by Dr Philip McMillan
It's exhilarating to hear from brilliant people who know what's going on. Even when the truths are depressing, it's somehow essential to us who are not misguided, to find them out. Many thanks to you both. And I pray for your safety, going forward. P.S. The Nobel Prize is no longer noble. ;) but seriously.
Can one of you name the three drugs that Dr. Malone mentions as his choice in repurposing, which he says work even in hospitalised settings ? Except Ivermectin, I could not get the other two. Thank you in anticipation of your help.
If you go to the FLCCC website, you will see their protocols which include these three drugs as well as a suite of complimentary and inexpensive adjuncts. These protocols are under ongoing review as the dominant variants change.
What an amazing interview / talk this was. Took me some time to get through this. I will listen to it again after I let it sink in and I thought about this.
How can we fight against the dark forces that there are. The way we go we will eventually eliminate ourselves, rather sooner than later and I don’t understand it. What is the need to play god , to control everyone... WHY.... why work against each other, what joy get the upper FEW out of this. This pandemy is I spec of greater things, people don’t seem to learn from the past, or refuse to act on it.
I very much appreciate the work you do Dr. McMillan. J. J. Couey has done a session on your interview with Robert Malone, here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1945444522. He and Mark Kulacz are very critical of Malone. I know you’re busy, but if you get a chance to look at Couey’s session I would be very interested in your take on it.
I am largely ignorant about immunology and have much uncertainty about who to believe in the deluge of information I am trying to absorb.
I get the impression that you think that Couey has a pretty distorted perspective on Malone, and this may be so, but I am not sure.
Here is my summary understanding of Couey’s view, which may not be entirely accurate: His key claim is that RNA viruses cannot spread disease in the way we have been led to believe. They are not a species that reproduce with the high-fidelity enabled by DNA replication, but a swarm - a quasi-species. Because of their high mutation rate they cannot reproduce themselves beyond more than a small circle of people before high-fidelity reproduction fades.
This claim aligns with the research of Denis Rancourt, who says that the all-cause mortality rates across the world show that the pattern of deaths before the rollout of the vaccines cannot be explained by a pandemic, though they can be explained as the result of differing Covid-19 policies in different jurisdictions.
If Couey’s central claim is true then the world has succumbed to a mass illusion, one which was perhaps set in motion by a hidden hand distributing infectious clones of SARS-Cov-2, which can indeed be manufactured using high-fidelity DNA replication.
Couey’s view is that Malone is playing a key role in sustaining this illusion. One of Mark Kulacz’s points, which he elaborates in this video, https://odysee.com/@Housatonic:0/555-ep-207-1-3:9?lid=7205583054c836a68512712552dbbe9f0a15ad6f, is that the policy of using Remdesivir has contributed to the deaths and that these have been mistakenly attributed to Covid. He believes that Malone must have known this, and has been directing our attention away from this possibility, thus reinforcing the illusion.
My own view of Malone has evolved in the following way. I first became aware of him because of his participation with that now-famous interview in 2021 with Steve Kirsch and Bret Weinstein, and I began to pay attention. I regarded him as a hero of the medical freedom movement. But then he sued the Breggins and Jane Ruby for defamation. This gave me pause. I continued to regard him as a hero, but thought that his defamation suit was a mistake. I thought that Mattias Desmet, with whom Malone was aligned, was mostly right, that people had succumbed unwittingly to a mass formation. I thought that Malone should just respond to the Breggins (though I do recognize that this would have been highly stressful), not sue them. But as time has gone on, and I’ve seen more and more criticisms of his role (from several people, not just Couey) I have become more and more agnostic about him.
I would like to make a suggestion, which might seem very presumptuous of me, but I’ll make it anyway. Why don’t you contact Couey and have a conversation about this? I do not know the best way of doing this, but you could try here: https://gigaohmbiological.com/contact-1.
Oct 9, 2023·edited Oct 9, 2023Liked by Dr Philip McMillan
Another interesting conversation. As been following Dr. Malone on Dr. Brett Weinstein from start too. BTW Dr.s' Weinstein Darkhorse podcast 194 was just talking about this as well. Interesting to hear years later of values learned. Was wondering where does the placebo affect come in to play? You seem to be a human with balance of the left and right brain thinking and experiencing life. And a proffessional in your presentations with understanding and curious mind with your interactions with your guests. It is quit obvious for me through a metal screen your morals, values and intgregrity beeming out for your tuning in audience.
After Dr. Malone mention Matisse and crowd thinking( I followed them on their Spain production ) I am curious, your thoughts of where the placebo comes to play in a balanced brain to move humanity forward?
The ending was pretty depressing, but true. If I were Doctor Malone I wouldn't want my name anywhere near that Noble prize, those people are responsible for this ongoing nightmare. Great talk, much respect for both of you.
The prize should have gone to Malone (and his numerous collaborators) for inventing and proving the technology, because it opens doors to a lot of other discoveries. The technology shouldnt have been used for the spike injection bioweapon program, or at least not rushed to implementation which bypassed all the safety checks. Just like dynamite, inventions of the Nobel caliber can be used for good or evil. The Precautionary Principle applies to all new technology and interventions - think and rethink the consequences before rolling them out, and never trust vested interests.
Absolutely correct, every word you have said. But then quite a lot of front line researchers, including Dr. Malone or those receiving the award should have been raising the hell from 2020 itself, especially use of the spike protein for m-RNA work. They all knew that it is the least safe among the options for the technology. m-RNA work is now creeping in other areas, without establishing its safety profile from every angle. It is now in the hands of vested interests. By the way, thanks, for the clarifications on the medicinal names. Fluvoxamine was not widely prescribed in India, but HCQ and Ivermectin were. These were text book examples of repurposing in Covid. The others widely used were Azithromycin, Montelukast, Levocetrizine and a few other anti histamines. They were all typical URT/LRT medications and cannot be said to have been repurposed for Covid-19, a respiratory infection.
Yes Dr.McMillan's interviews with Dr.Chetty and the Honduran doctors were extremely enlightening and useful for showing that there were other ways to handle the pandemic.
Yes, among the many podcasts of Vejon that I heard in these two plus years, I regard the conversation between Dr. McMillan and Dr. Chetty to be the best, not just that they conversed a lot on my interest area - medicines, treatments, mechanisms. They speak very clearly, both literally and intellectually. You can follow their every word, their implications without any doubt. You may have noted one difference in their readings of the disease, the emphasis. Dr. McMillan sees it as a more auto immune condition. Dr. Chetty, since the beginning sees it mainly as an allergy, including the serious phase in 2020 and 2021. His protocol has thus been anti histamine led, though his use of steroids in a controlled fashion in both Covid and Long Covid might imply the importance of autoimmune activity. We had no occasion to know the nature of protocols used by Dr. McMillan for his Covid patients.
I don’t know if the interview can be reposted with subtitles. Not being a native English speaker, I could not follow 75% of what he was saying, though Dr. McMillan’s pronouncing was crystal clear. Apparently I missed lot of learning. More than the sub issues of m-RNA vaccines, serious as they are, we must if ask vaccine was a correct strategy at all in 2020. It must have been known even before hand that a virus of this type can quickly mutatate, which it did. Even if it were a classical inactivated virus vaccine, in 2021, there would have been a mismatch between the actual variant of the time and the vaccine. The result thus was clear, the vaccine could not stop fresh infections, as cases soared in 2021, even as the population was rapidly twice vaccinated. As I have said before, in this age of tremendous medicinal advancements, vaccine at mass level for infections of this kind are a redundant , unnecessary and costly strategy. Eventually, on a world scale, it was classical medicines that subdued this virus, not the vaccine. People like Dr. Malone cannot be keeping quiet. They have to weigh in with their views. Not just him, even the award winners, who must have followed these vaccines from the beginning, should have weighed in sometime.
Perhaps one of *the* best interviews ever, thank you Dr. McMillan! Dr. Malone says a few things I take some issue with, but I think he is absolutely one of the most important people in the world now and will go down in history as a great man.
Thank you.
Completely agree.
P.S. I think you are pretty great, too, being one of the most reasonable-sounding people commenting on the pandemic-response issue and interviewing people like Dr. Vanden Bossche and Dr. Malone. I only hope you are wrong about the tsunami of auto-immune disease you believe is coming, if I understand you correctly.
It's exhilarating to hear from brilliant people who know what's going on. Even when the truths are depressing, it's somehow essential to us who are not misguided, to find them out. Many thanks to you both. And I pray for your safety, going forward. P.S. The Nobel Prize is no longer noble. ;) but seriously.
Excellent points 🙏
This was an amazing interview. Let’s hope for the best. But... Be prepared for the worst. God Bless You.
Appreciated 🙏
Great Interview if only someone could gift such deep hard won truths to some of my friends and family on their birthdays.
Thank you for all you have done for us around the world as well as your patients who are fortunate to have such a caring Doc.
Appreciated
Happy Birthday Phillip! I hope you did something you enjoy. It's great knowing someone like you exists in this world. Keep doing what you are doing.
Thank you.
Hope to speak again soon.
Can one of you name the three drugs that Dr. Malone mentions as his choice in repurposing, which he says work even in hospitalised settings ? Except Ivermectin, I could not get the other two. Thank you in anticipation of your help.
hydroxychloroquine
fluvoxamine
If you go to the FLCCC website, you will see their protocols which include these three drugs as well as a suite of complimentary and inexpensive adjuncts. These protocols are under ongoing review as the dominant variants change.
"God bless you for maintaining a modicum of hope", indeed Dr. McMillan. Happy Birthday, and thank you for shedding light on this murky subject.
You are welcome.
What an amazing interview / talk this was. Took me some time to get through this. I will listen to it again after I let it sink in and I thought about this.
How can we fight against the dark forces that there are. The way we go we will eventually eliminate ourselves, rather sooner than later and I don’t understand it. What is the need to play god , to control everyone... WHY.... why work against each other, what joy get the upper FEW out of this. This pandemy is I spec of greater things, people don’t seem to learn from the past, or refuse to act on it.
Wow, I feel overwhelmed. Two wonderful people.
And belated happy birthday to you Sir.
Thank you very much.
I very much appreciate the work you do Dr. McMillan. J. J. Couey has done a session on your interview with Robert Malone, here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1945444522. He and Mark Kulacz are very critical of Malone. I know you’re busy, but if you get a chance to look at Couey’s session I would be very interested in your take on it.
If you’re interested in some of Mark’s criticism, see https://odysee.com/@Housatonic:0/555-ep-207-1-3:9?lid=7205583054c836a68512712552dbbe9f0a15ad6f
Thank you for the link.
Was not aware of this video.
Glanced through some of the points and suspect that he has a view of Malone which colours everything that is said.
Most people would have stayed silent.
Malone chose to stand up.
Credit to him.
Thank you for responding.
I am largely ignorant about immunology and have much uncertainty about who to believe in the deluge of information I am trying to absorb.
I get the impression that you think that Couey has a pretty distorted perspective on Malone, and this may be so, but I am not sure.
Here is my summary understanding of Couey’s view, which may not be entirely accurate: His key claim is that RNA viruses cannot spread disease in the way we have been led to believe. They are not a species that reproduce with the high-fidelity enabled by DNA replication, but a swarm - a quasi-species. Because of their high mutation rate they cannot reproduce themselves beyond more than a small circle of people before high-fidelity reproduction fades.
This claim aligns with the research of Denis Rancourt, who says that the all-cause mortality rates across the world show that the pattern of deaths before the rollout of the vaccines cannot be explained by a pandemic, though they can be explained as the result of differing Covid-19 policies in different jurisdictions.
If Couey’s central claim is true then the world has succumbed to a mass illusion, one which was perhaps set in motion by a hidden hand distributing infectious clones of SARS-Cov-2, which can indeed be manufactured using high-fidelity DNA replication.
Couey’s view is that Malone is playing a key role in sustaining this illusion. One of Mark Kulacz’s points, which he elaborates in this video, https://odysee.com/@Housatonic:0/555-ep-207-1-3:9?lid=7205583054c836a68512712552dbbe9f0a15ad6f, is that the policy of using Remdesivir has contributed to the deaths and that these have been mistakenly attributed to Covid. He believes that Malone must have known this, and has been directing our attention away from this possibility, thus reinforcing the illusion.
My own view of Malone has evolved in the following way. I first became aware of him because of his participation with that now-famous interview in 2021 with Steve Kirsch and Bret Weinstein, and I began to pay attention. I regarded him as a hero of the medical freedom movement. But then he sued the Breggins and Jane Ruby for defamation. This gave me pause. I continued to regard him as a hero, but thought that his defamation suit was a mistake. I thought that Mattias Desmet, with whom Malone was aligned, was mostly right, that people had succumbed unwittingly to a mass formation. I thought that Malone should just respond to the Breggins (though I do recognize that this would have been highly stressful), not sue them. But as time has gone on, and I’ve seen more and more criticisms of his role (from several people, not just Couey) I have become more and more agnostic about him.
I would like to make a suggestion, which might seem very presumptuous of me, but I’ll make it anyway. Why don’t you contact Couey and have a conversation about this? I do not know the best way of doing this, but you could try here: https://gigaohmbiological.com/contact-1.
Another interesting conversation. As been following Dr. Malone on Dr. Brett Weinstein from start too. BTW Dr.s' Weinstein Darkhorse podcast 194 was just talking about this as well. Interesting to hear years later of values learned. Was wondering where does the placebo affect come in to play? You seem to be a human with balance of the left and right brain thinking and experiencing life. And a proffessional in your presentations with understanding and curious mind with your interactions with your guests. It is quit obvious for me through a metal screen your morals, values and intgregrity beeming out for your tuning in audience.
After Dr. Malone mention Matisse and crowd thinking( I followed them on their Spain production ) I am curious, your thoughts of where the placebo comes to play in a balanced brain to move humanity forward?
Important to note that I spoke to Robert before and after offline.
Sobering conversation. Huge challenges ahead.
There are only a few left willing to challenge.
What happens when they are gone?
The ending was pretty depressing, but true. If I were Doctor Malone I wouldn't want my name anywhere near that Noble prize, those people are responsible for this ongoing nightmare. Great talk, much respect for both of you.
The prize should have gone to Malone (and his numerous collaborators) for inventing and proving the technology, because it opens doors to a lot of other discoveries. The technology shouldnt have been used for the spike injection bioweapon program, or at least not rushed to implementation which bypassed all the safety checks. Just like dynamite, inventions of the Nobel caliber can be used for good or evil. The Precautionary Principle applies to all new technology and interventions - think and rethink the consequences before rolling them out, and never trust vested interests.
Absolutely correct, every word you have said. But then quite a lot of front line researchers, including Dr. Malone or those receiving the award should have been raising the hell from 2020 itself, especially use of the spike protein for m-RNA work. They all knew that it is the least safe among the options for the technology. m-RNA work is now creeping in other areas, without establishing its safety profile from every angle. It is now in the hands of vested interests. By the way, thanks, for the clarifications on the medicinal names. Fluvoxamine was not widely prescribed in India, but HCQ and Ivermectin were. These were text book examples of repurposing in Covid. The others widely used were Azithromycin, Montelukast, Levocetrizine and a few other anti histamines. They were all typical URT/LRT medications and cannot be said to have been repurposed for Covid-19, a respiratory infection.
Yes Dr.McMillan's interviews with Dr.Chetty and the Honduran doctors were extremely enlightening and useful for showing that there were other ways to handle the pandemic.
Yes, among the many podcasts of Vejon that I heard in these two plus years, I regard the conversation between Dr. McMillan and Dr. Chetty to be the best, not just that they conversed a lot on my interest area - medicines, treatments, mechanisms. They speak very clearly, both literally and intellectually. You can follow their every word, their implications without any doubt. You may have noted one difference in their readings of the disease, the emphasis. Dr. McMillan sees it as a more auto immune condition. Dr. Chetty, since the beginning sees it mainly as an allergy, including the serious phase in 2020 and 2021. His protocol has thus been anti histamine led, though his use of steroids in a controlled fashion in both Covid and Long Covid might imply the importance of autoimmune activity. We had no occasion to know the nature of protocols used by Dr. McMillan for his Covid patients.
I don’t know if the interview can be reposted with subtitles. Not being a native English speaker, I could not follow 75% of what he was saying, though Dr. McMillan’s pronouncing was crystal clear. Apparently I missed lot of learning. More than the sub issues of m-RNA vaccines, serious as they are, we must if ask vaccine was a correct strategy at all in 2020. It must have been known even before hand that a virus of this type can quickly mutatate, which it did. Even if it were a classical inactivated virus vaccine, in 2021, there would have been a mismatch between the actual variant of the time and the vaccine. The result thus was clear, the vaccine could not stop fresh infections, as cases soared in 2021, even as the population was rapidly twice vaccinated. As I have said before, in this age of tremendous medicinal advancements, vaccine at mass level for infections of this kind are a redundant , unnecessary and costly strategy. Eventually, on a world scale, it was classical medicines that subdued this virus, not the vaccine. People like Dr. Malone cannot be keeping quiet. They have to weigh in with their views. Not just him, even the award winners, who must have followed these vaccines from the beginning, should have weighed in sometime.
Should we care about the Nobel prize?