I will have more trust when they can show data of a vaccine against a placebo. If I’m not mistaken not a single vaccines has been evaluated against placebo. They are test against another vaccine. It’s like comparing apples to oranges!
That trust has been irrevocably broken. What needs to be called into question now, are pharmaceutical products in general. I’ve gone beyond being an anti-vaxxer to an anti-pharma, and I don’t believe that I’m alone.
It seems to me, considering the information trickling out about problems caused by the mRNA Covid shot, that rebuilding trust in the mRNA shots (as I understand things, it is not a vaccine) is not possible for those who are paying attention. For me, that horse has left the barn, never to return. I chose to not get the shot, and am happily firm in my decision to never do so. That extends to future mRNA shots, whether for monkeypox, or bird flu, or whatever else is in the pipeline.
Yes - so many of us (including me) are prepared to throw out the whole idea of trust in vaccination. Thank you to both doctors for this fearless interview. I am a ‘baby-boomer’ and my great-aunt taught in primary schools between approximately 1915 and 1950. On more than one occasion she observed to my mother:- “If there is one thing that can bring a weedy kid to life, it’s a good strong attack of measles.” There are inherent risks with ‘strong attacks’ - but her observation supports the logic of using weakened pathogens - and (from memory) also supports Prof. Petrovsky’s thoughts about making a weakened Covid vaccine....having said this, I believe there are currently very few vaccines needed at all......but I am mindful that I am not educated in the needs of the Third World.
Eh, nope. No trust from me anymore. The last vaccine I got was the annual flu shot in the fall of 2019. I had been the greatest vaxxer, always took every recommended vaccine, no questions asked. But because of the huge COVID fuzz and the 24/7 news cycle around it, I became curious how vaccines actually work, so I started reading. I guess my transformation into what could be considered an "anti-vaxxer" started in the fall of 2020 when it was again time for the flu shot. I was curious how effective it really is, so I looked up the CDC statistics, and to my surprise, it seemed to be far less effective than I always assumed it had been. I also found this study about virus interference: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.vaccine.2019.10.005 and I thought, well, with all the coronavirus going around, maybe the flu vaccine isn't the best idea right now. So I skipped it for the first time in 23 years.
But I still wanted to take the COVID vaccine as soon as it would become available. Luckily I wasn't eligible until mid 2021. By then, the side effects and cover up attempts were already in full swing, and the rest is history. Right now I wouldn't even take a tetanus booster. My last one was 12 years ago, so technically it's 2 years overdue, but even that depends on how you look at it. I recently found out that in Sweden, tetanus boosters are recommended every 20 years, so there my booster wouldn't be overdue. And some countries don't recommend tetanus boosters at all for adults, and they don't seem to have significantly higher incidence of tetanus cases. And on and on it goes with all the other vaccines. Can't think of any vaccine I would need or take right now.
Same here! My husband was told he needed a tetanus booster so he asked to have his tigers drawn and it proved his antibody levels were sufficiently high yet his doctor still said he should get a booster anyway. No thanks! Oh and there is no single tetanus booster anyway, it’s either combined with diphtheria or with pertussis and diphtheria! 😡
Interesting. I had a few childhood vaccines back in the 80's but never anything since, simply because I am fit active and healthy and I believe in my immune system (i never got sick). But in 2013 after putting a bit of rusty wire through my finger in a sheep yard (im a farmer) I "did the right thing" and got a tetanus booster. It threw my immune system into chaos. Development of rashes when I was stressed, then a life threatening food allergy developed, then a massive reaction to some bug that caused an uncontrollable immune response that put me in hospital multiple times, then 2 years of severe chronic fatigue (mitochondrial dysfunction) followed that which eventually led to Development of breast cancer (interstingly at the site of a blocked milk duct i once had while brest feeding years before). It was just an endless spiral but I know it all started with that booster which my healthy body just didnt need. I am so grateful for this experience though because it opened my eyes and my critical mind was powered up when covid theatre came along. I have now helped my mitochondria back to efficient and robust function and rebuilt my immune system and am very fit and healthy again so 🤞.
Now though...The main stream medical fraternity can jump in the lake. I take full responsibility for my health now thanks.
Looking at the answers so far, looking forward to a response from you.
Seems to me that there will always be an uncritically accepting part of the public that will unhesitatingly trust vaccines, trust governments, trust doctors, trust Pharma, trust insurance conglomerates, trust hospitals, trust, really, the entire "healthcare" edifice.. But many of us have seen behind the curtain now, the curtain has been pulled back.
Those entities worked IN CONCERT.
The rest of us have gone beyond any semblance or possibility of trust and, evidently, world organizations and governments are QUITE looking forward to using whatever force is needed for compliance.
Wanting trust seems a bit naive and disingenuous, considering all that has happened and considering, for example, the WHO Pandemic Preparedness Treaty. That has nothing to do with trust, only enforcement and suppression.
That's where we are headed - enforcement and suppression, not trust.
Absolutely no trust in any of the so called public health institutions it was about greed lies created fear plus it was not of nature but created by our own government and told the big lie safe and effective as a vaccine. But the truth is it was safe and effective as it was designed by gain of function to injure destroying livelihoods and million of needless death. Many need to be held accountable for crimes against humanity
What about the patent on the Furin Cleavage Site. The only coronavirus it exists in is Covid. Why is no one being charged for it being added to a coronavirus to make covid infective between humans. Can the Furin Cleavage Site be added to bird flu ( H5N1 ) to make it transmittable between humans ?
Not sure why one would want to rebuild trust in a completely untrustworthy medical intervention. There is no science to substantiate any level of trust for any vaccine, so why bother?
This assumes vaccines are what the industry has claimed it was for decades.
I'm not so sure they're the 'medical miracles" they're cracked up to be.
Thank the unethical mandates, eradication of informed consent, medical autonomy and the general overall ill-advised one-size fits all and paternalistic approach applied.
We always knew medical decisions must be made with OVERALL public health in mind. Yet, somehow despite decades of this understanding. it was ignored.
Trust is the least of our concerns. We need to get to the bottom of what drove this moral panic.
There is only one way, Doctor; hold the liars personally accountable, make highly public examples of their prosecutions under law and their imprisonment for their crimes.
Then, brutally enforce full and transparent informed consent with not a whisper of coercing the public.
And be patient for the two generations required for the remedy to take full effect.
I really cannot forecast any resolution until psychopaths such as that "Hotez" person are held accountable for the inestimable harm that their murderous advocacy has caused. Perhaps you and Professor Benn can find a way, but it's a Sisyphian task to clean that stable while your efforts are continually being sabotaged.
Last visit to my trusty old MD, I got a Tetanus booster, the only vaccination I required and had evidence that I could trust not harm more than it helped. Others I know that would take any vaccine that wasn't experimental, will never take another.
One aspect of the issue is the dishonest obscuring of the simple difference between public health officials and private practitioners. The former are utilitarians who deliberately kill the few in blind hope of saving the many. That is their task, and sugar-coating it with category error undermines trust in the latter; private practitioners who must stand in opposition to the former by doing no harm to ANY of the individuals entrusted to their care.
How that can happen when the independence of private practitioners is deliberately subsumed into a role as corporate employees after their private practices have been bankrupted and absorbed by predatory medical corporations, is not clear to anyone.
Sutter, alone, has created medical deserts wherever they have been allowed to operate. Their profits have driven their expansion into areas where they don't belong. Providence is not far behind. Business is business, and a medical degree is not required to identify business models based on bad faith and regulatory capture.
We need to stop perpetuating the myth that mRNA is a vaccine. These are not vaccines. Merely developing any type of immunity does not make something a vaccine. Bee stings induce an immune response but that does not make them vaccines. These are by definition gene therapy. They are using them as treatment and that's why they are recommending the injections every 3 to 6 months. Comparing them to traditional vaccine platforms is like comparing apples and oranges.
When citizens are once again free to hold vaccine makers accountable, I'll reconsider my skepticism.
I will have more trust when they can show data of a vaccine against a placebo. If I’m not mistaken not a single vaccines has been evaluated against placebo. They are test against another vaccine. It’s like comparing apples to oranges!
Good point.
That trust has been irrevocably broken. What needs to be called into question now, are pharmaceutical products in general. I’ve gone beyond being an anti-vaxxer to an anti-pharma, and I don’t believe that I’m alone.
It seems to me, considering the information trickling out about problems caused by the mRNA Covid shot, that rebuilding trust in the mRNA shots (as I understand things, it is not a vaccine) is not possible for those who are paying attention. For me, that horse has left the barn, never to return. I chose to not get the shot, and am happily firm in my decision to never do so. That extends to future mRNA shots, whether for monkeypox, or bird flu, or whatever else is in the pipeline.
There is no rebuilding of trust possible.
None.
Yes - so many of us (including me) are prepared to throw out the whole idea of trust in vaccination. Thank you to both doctors for this fearless interview. I am a ‘baby-boomer’ and my great-aunt taught in primary schools between approximately 1915 and 1950. On more than one occasion she observed to my mother:- “If there is one thing that can bring a weedy kid to life, it’s a good strong attack of measles.” There are inherent risks with ‘strong attacks’ - but her observation supports the logic of using weakened pathogens - and (from memory) also supports Prof. Petrovsky’s thoughts about making a weakened Covid vaccine....having said this, I believe there are currently very few vaccines needed at all......but I am mindful that I am not educated in the needs of the Third World.
Excellent points.
Eh, nope. No trust from me anymore. The last vaccine I got was the annual flu shot in the fall of 2019. I had been the greatest vaxxer, always took every recommended vaccine, no questions asked. But because of the huge COVID fuzz and the 24/7 news cycle around it, I became curious how vaccines actually work, so I started reading. I guess my transformation into what could be considered an "anti-vaxxer" started in the fall of 2020 when it was again time for the flu shot. I was curious how effective it really is, so I looked up the CDC statistics, and to my surprise, it seemed to be far less effective than I always assumed it had been. I also found this study about virus interference: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.vaccine.2019.10.005 and I thought, well, with all the coronavirus going around, maybe the flu vaccine isn't the best idea right now. So I skipped it for the first time in 23 years.
But I still wanted to take the COVID vaccine as soon as it would become available. Luckily I wasn't eligible until mid 2021. By then, the side effects and cover up attempts were already in full swing, and the rest is history. Right now I wouldn't even take a tetanus booster. My last one was 12 years ago, so technically it's 2 years overdue, but even that depends on how you look at it. I recently found out that in Sweden, tetanus boosters are recommended every 20 years, so there my booster wouldn't be overdue. And some countries don't recommend tetanus boosters at all for adults, and they don't seem to have significantly higher incidence of tetanus cases. And on and on it goes with all the other vaccines. Can't think of any vaccine I would need or take right now.
Same here! My husband was told he needed a tetanus booster so he asked to have his tigers drawn and it proved his antibody levels were sufficiently high yet his doctor still said he should get a booster anyway. No thanks! Oh and there is no single tetanus booster anyway, it’s either combined with diphtheria or with pertussis and diphtheria! 😡
Oops “his titers drawn” 😜
I prefer tigers!
Interesting. I had a few childhood vaccines back in the 80's but never anything since, simply because I am fit active and healthy and I believe in my immune system (i never got sick). But in 2013 after putting a bit of rusty wire through my finger in a sheep yard (im a farmer) I "did the right thing" and got a tetanus booster. It threw my immune system into chaos. Development of rashes when I was stressed, then a life threatening food allergy developed, then a massive reaction to some bug that caused an uncontrollable immune response that put me in hospital multiple times, then 2 years of severe chronic fatigue (mitochondrial dysfunction) followed that which eventually led to Development of breast cancer (interstingly at the site of a blocked milk duct i once had while brest feeding years before). It was just an endless spiral but I know it all started with that booster which my healthy body just didnt need. I am so grateful for this experience though because it opened my eyes and my critical mind was powered up when covid theatre came along. I have now helped my mitochondria back to efficient and robust function and rebuilt my immune system and am very fit and healthy again so 🤞.
Now though...The main stream medical fraternity can jump in the lake. I take full responsibility for my health now thanks.
Rebuild trust in vaccines? No, train more plumbers and drainage engineers.
Looking at the answers so far, looking forward to a response from you.
Seems to me that there will always be an uncritically accepting part of the public that will unhesitatingly trust vaccines, trust governments, trust doctors, trust Pharma, trust insurance conglomerates, trust hospitals, trust, really, the entire "healthcare" edifice.. But many of us have seen behind the curtain now, the curtain has been pulled back.
Those entities worked IN CONCERT.
The rest of us have gone beyond any semblance or possibility of trust and, evidently, world organizations and governments are QUITE looking forward to using whatever force is needed for compliance.
Wanting trust seems a bit naive and disingenuous, considering all that has happened and considering, for example, the WHO Pandemic Preparedness Treaty. That has nothing to do with trust, only enforcement and suppression.
That's where we are headed - enforcement and suppression, not trust.
Thank you.
The bigger issue is where else has trust been eroded?
Will patients no longer take their medication?
Not have investigations?
The knock on impact is very serious.
Absolutely no trust in any of the so called public health institutions it was about greed lies created fear plus it was not of nature but created by our own government and told the big lie safe and effective as a vaccine. But the truth is it was safe and effective as it was designed by gain of function to injure destroying livelihoods and million of needless death. Many need to be held accountable for crimes against humanity
What about the patent on the Furin Cleavage Site. The only coronavirus it exists in is Covid. Why is no one being charged for it being added to a coronavirus to make covid infective between humans. Can the Furin Cleavage Site be added to bird flu ( H5N1 ) to make it transmittable between humans ?
Without the furin cleavage site, the original variants could not have spread across the world.
Not sure why one would want to rebuild trust in a completely untrustworthy medical intervention. There is no science to substantiate any level of trust for any vaccine, so why bother?
well... we already know there have been ZERO long-term, placebo-controlled clinical trials for childhood vaccines...https://eccentrik.substack.com/p/is-the-bird-flu-pandemic-20-incoming
No trust in vaccines. They are a concept which belongs in the ashbin of history. Pyre greed and evil.
This assumes vaccines are what the industry has claimed it was for decades.
I'm not so sure they're the 'medical miracles" they're cracked up to be.
Thank the unethical mandates, eradication of informed consent, medical autonomy and the general overall ill-advised one-size fits all and paternalistic approach applied.
We always knew medical decisions must be made with OVERALL public health in mind. Yet, somehow despite decades of this understanding. it was ignored.
Trust is the least of our concerns. We need to get to the bottom of what drove this moral panic.
There is only one way, Doctor; hold the liars personally accountable, make highly public examples of their prosecutions under law and their imprisonment for their crimes.
Then, brutally enforce full and transparent informed consent with not a whisper of coercing the public.
And be patient for the two generations required for the remedy to take full effect.
I really cannot forecast any resolution until psychopaths such as that "Hotez" person are held accountable for the inestimable harm that their murderous advocacy has caused. Perhaps you and Professor Benn can find a way, but it's a Sisyphian task to clean that stable while your efforts are continually being sabotaged.
Last visit to my trusty old MD, I got a Tetanus booster, the only vaccination I required and had evidence that I could trust not harm more than it helped. Others I know that would take any vaccine that wasn't experimental, will never take another.
One aspect of the issue is the dishonest obscuring of the simple difference between public health officials and private practitioners. The former are utilitarians who deliberately kill the few in blind hope of saving the many. That is their task, and sugar-coating it with category error undermines trust in the latter; private practitioners who must stand in opposition to the former by doing no harm to ANY of the individuals entrusted to their care.
How that can happen when the independence of private practitioners is deliberately subsumed into a role as corporate employees after their private practices have been bankrupted and absorbed by predatory medical corporations, is not clear to anyone.
Sutter, alone, has created medical deserts wherever they have been allowed to operate. Their profits have driven their expansion into areas where they don't belong. Providence is not far behind. Business is business, and a medical degree is not required to identify business models based on bad faith and regulatory capture.
I really love Dr. Stabell Benn's work. I think the questions she is asking about the off target effects of vaccines are very important. I have written about this here.....https://smithvirologist.substack.com/p/off-target-or-non-specific-effects.
We need to stop perpetuating the myth that mRNA is a vaccine. These are not vaccines. Merely developing any type of immunity does not make something a vaccine. Bee stings induce an immune response but that does not make them vaccines. These are by definition gene therapy. They are using them as treatment and that's why they are recommending the injections every 3 to 6 months. Comparing them to traditional vaccine platforms is like comparing apples and oranges.