It seems quite simple and logical that it may very well be an evolutionary adaptation to avoid making long-lasting adaptive memory to the spike proteins of a coronavirus due to their propensity to mutate frequently. By relying on innate/generalized/mucosal immune responses (nk cells, non-specific circulating antibodies , memory tcells etc.) to functionally-constrained proteins, the body can generally ward off serious infection (from variants within the viral swarm ) albeit at the cost of not always being entirely successful at stopping it altogether (for instance when viral load is high or the when weakened due to stress, poor diet etc..). It's a trade off - better broader long, lasting protection but less specific protection. In this particular case, from what I have read, the SARS Cov-2 virus family appears to have a greater propensity to elicit a specific antigen antibody response due to the particularly toxic nature of the spike's interaction with the body. This sets up a catch-22: a broad innate response would be preferable but might be outgunned so to speak but an long-lasting adaptive would set one up for imprinting issues (though less likely in the natural infection vs transfection).
It's a difficult situation in light of the potential seriousness of infection (in some but not all) but the idea that the best solution is to force to the body (via inoculation) to manufacture a toxic protein (with unknown locations and quantity) AND potentially cement a spike-antibody response against this highly mutable virus is absolutely asinine.
Greater support of the innate immune system and early therapeutics were/are the most rational, scientific approach to combating this problem as antibodies are not a correlate of protection. One doesn't have to be a scientist to see the obvious 'flaws' in the pandemic response. It's hard for me to attribute this to simple incompetence but maybe that's just me.
Very well said and I concur wholeheartedly. So tired of the push to “Get Vaccinated!” It MUST stop as it’s unscientific insanity coupled with draconian tactics fit for dictators. For shame, USA, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, not to mention parts of Europe.
Yes. Furthermore, it is NOT mutually exclusive to recognize the potentially negative effects (short or long-term) of a natural infection (again for some but not all) WHILST recognizing that the inoculation strategy is directly/indirectly harmful and counterproductive. Not at all.
I got sick in early Jan and while I am in excellent overall health it was no picnic (it was truly the worst 'flu" I can recall and recovery took 6 weeks) but I took additional measures to get better and fully recovered without issue. I've been exposed plenty of times since then but outside of feeling a little crummy here and there for a day or two I have not gotten sick again. I don't expect never to be sick again, that's just a fact of life but I have no intention of getting transfected for an infection I already had.
I’m glad you are better now. I never took the injections, but did take early treatment via the FLCCC protocol when a worker came into my home sick with Covid and transmitted it to me. In fact, I suspected he was sick after he’d come inside and jumped on the protocol that day, then he called me several days later to tell me he had Covid badly. I took both ivermectin and HCQ plus all of the other things on the FLCCC protocol. It was a short, short affair. I felt fatigue with very slight cough for two days. No fever. No sore throat. No headache. No long Covid. I also did dilute iodine nasal washes and gargles to reduce viral loads in the upper airways. Back to normal by day three. My serum vitamin D levels are robust, the 60-70 ng/ml range and I’ve had all my patients checked for their serum D levels as well. Always repleted them fully to robust levels. I do credit the FLCCC protocol with helping me over it quickly. I’m in my 60s and in very good health.
Gargle with Listerine Cool Mint. That was one of the first pieces of Advice that I noted down whilst watching Dr. Peter McCollough (sp?) at the beginning of this pandemic nightmare. And if you've got the problem DONT WAIT to treat yourself.
I do see the value of nasal/oral disinfecting rinses to reduce viral load and let our innate/mucosal immune system get a handle on things.
However, i think the implication that the viruses do not get past the mucosal immune system or that we do not need the adaptive immune system is incorrect. We swallow viruses all the time and some of them (out of billions) do get past the mucosal immune system through various means. Those that go down the gullet can be detected by the Peyer's Patches which start the process of tuning the adaptive immune system to the virus (without any injection needed!). See this talk with Prof.Robert Clancy about immunology, microbiomes, general vs specifc interventions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8jVEpB1ieE In particular, he explains why repeated shots might actually downregulate the body's response to the virus, like desensitization therapy for allergens.
It seems quite simple and logical that it may very well be an evolutionary adaptation to avoid making long-lasting adaptive memory to the spike proteins of a coronavirus due to their propensity to mutate frequently. By relying on innate/generalized/mucosal immune responses (nk cells, non-specific circulating antibodies , memory tcells etc.) to functionally-constrained proteins, the body can generally ward off serious infection (from variants within the viral swarm ) albeit at the cost of not always being entirely successful at stopping it altogether (for instance when viral load is high or the when weakened due to stress, poor diet etc..). It's a trade off - better broader long, lasting protection but less specific protection. In this particular case, from what I have read, the SARS Cov-2 virus family appears to have a greater propensity to elicit a specific antigen antibody response due to the particularly toxic nature of the spike's interaction with the body. This sets up a catch-22: a broad innate response would be preferable but might be outgunned so to speak but an long-lasting adaptive would set one up for imprinting issues (though less likely in the natural infection vs transfection).
It's a difficult situation in light of the potential seriousness of infection (in some but not all) but the idea that the best solution is to force to the body (via inoculation) to manufacture a toxic protein (with unknown locations and quantity) AND potentially cement a spike-antibody response against this highly mutable virus is absolutely asinine.
Greater support of the innate immune system and early therapeutics were/are the most rational, scientific approach to combating this problem as antibodies are not a correlate of protection. One doesn't have to be a scientist to see the obvious 'flaws' in the pandemic response. It's hard for me to attribute this to simple incompetence but maybe that's just me.
Very well said and I concur wholeheartedly. So tired of the push to “Get Vaccinated!” It MUST stop as it’s unscientific insanity coupled with draconian tactics fit for dictators. For shame, USA, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, not to mention parts of Europe.
Yes. Furthermore, it is NOT mutually exclusive to recognize the potentially negative effects (short or long-term) of a natural infection (again for some but not all) WHILST recognizing that the inoculation strategy is directly/indirectly harmful and counterproductive. Not at all.
I got sick in early Jan and while I am in excellent overall health it was no picnic (it was truly the worst 'flu" I can recall and recovery took 6 weeks) but I took additional measures to get better and fully recovered without issue. I've been exposed plenty of times since then but outside of feeling a little crummy here and there for a day or two I have not gotten sick again. I don't expect never to be sick again, that's just a fact of life but I have no intention of getting transfected for an infection I already had.
I’m glad you are better now. I never took the injections, but did take early treatment via the FLCCC protocol when a worker came into my home sick with Covid and transmitted it to me. In fact, I suspected he was sick after he’d come inside and jumped on the protocol that day, then he called me several days later to tell me he had Covid badly. I took both ivermectin and HCQ plus all of the other things on the FLCCC protocol. It was a short, short affair. I felt fatigue with very slight cough for two days. No fever. No sore throat. No headache. No long Covid. I also did dilute iodine nasal washes and gargles to reduce viral loads in the upper airways. Back to normal by day three. My serum vitamin D levels are robust, the 60-70 ng/ml range and I’ve had all my patients checked for their serum D levels as well. Always repleted them fully to robust levels. I do credit the FLCCC protocol with helping me over it quickly. I’m in my 60s and in very good health.
Given all this, what mouthwash or nasal rinse protocol could one use to assist mucosal immunity in this area -- if any?
https://www.americaoutloud.com/early-treatment-suppression-and-nasal-hygiene-with-nathan-jones-dr-peter-mccullough/
Interesting podcast episode!
And here is Dr. McCullough's protocol for the povidone iodine nasal washes:
https://www.americaoutloud.com/dilute-povidone-iodine-nasal-oral-washes-for-the-prevention-and-treatment-of-covid-19/
Gargle with Listerine Cool Mint. That was one of the first pieces of Advice that I noted down whilst watching Dr. Peter McCollough (sp?) at the beginning of this pandemic nightmare. And if you've got the problem DONT WAIT to treat yourself.
Yes! Yes! Yes! It’s all in the noses ( & throats ) hiding right underneath our noses ( & eyes )
I do see the value of nasal/oral disinfecting rinses to reduce viral load and let our innate/mucosal immune system get a handle on things.
However, i think the implication that the viruses do not get past the mucosal immune system or that we do not need the adaptive immune system is incorrect. We swallow viruses all the time and some of them (out of billions) do get past the mucosal immune system through various means. Those that go down the gullet can be detected by the Peyer's Patches which start the process of tuning the adaptive immune system to the virus (without any injection needed!). See this talk with Prof.Robert Clancy about immunology, microbiomes, general vs specifc interventions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8jVEpB1ieE In particular, he explains why repeated shots might actually downregulate the body's response to the virus, like desensitization therapy for allergens.